Please consider creating a . So the trigger pull is utterly irrelevant *if* you are paying attention to your firearm which you should be doing, again, with *any* firearm. What is the I.33 for humidor and candle or Grndtliche Beschreibung der Kunst des Fechtens for bananas?;-). I thought it was just the cops and regulars of the IDF. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-1','ezslot_3',116,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-1-0');Still, I keep hearing how unsafe Glocks are, from people who have never handled one and essentially know nothing about handguns in general. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. Run what you brung. I carry with a round chambered in my autoloading handguns. Im not a big believer in the the bad guy will just take your gun and use it against you school of thought. It wont matter if the slide is in battery or not. The odds of a holster obstruction triggering a Glock in that case is an acceptable risk due to the greater risk of being too slow. *, Keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard until your sights are on a target you intend to shoot and you should be training to do that automatically *even* while under stress. Good username though. I asked administrator. I doubt it. Make that line above into: a solution in search of a problem. Why, I havent the slightest idea. If soft iwb holster freaks you out then get a nice, quality leather or kydex holster. But in my house, in the middle of the night, what do I care about 50 yard accuracy or the ability to knock over a steel plate or knock a bowling pin off a table? Every time I drive. All that said, training, knowledge of your firearms design/function, and practice go a long way to make any firearm safe to carry with a round chambered though some designs are better for a particular purpose. Absolutely YES!! My three-year-old knows that for her bb gun. Again, carrying with an empty chamber isnt wrong, but it just isnt quite right. This also means that if the firing pin somehow gets enough inertia to hit the primer, from some other source than the hammer (whatever that source might be), and then the round in front of the pin suddenly ceases motion, the firing pin will continue forward into the round anyway, no matter what the hammer, trigger, barrel, or etc, do. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? Been reading the thread here on this topic, since we all have an O I quite agree with your spot on comment Sir. or not. To the point I know I can unholster, rack, and have my tritium dots centered on some perps forehead before they know whats coming. Perhaps if someone drops their gun from two stories up and it lands muzzle down on somebodys head? plan A: have an empty gun you throw onto the ground to start the action. Jun 4, 2009. 4) In such a rush and excitement even in a holster such as the case in Florida the police officer shot himself and the wall in a school and was clearly not in fear or stressed, so in all counts safety and training cause in the heat of the moment you may grab fast and shoot yourself. I have yet to find a dumb ass vaccine. But no self-defense. If I was gona carry an empty gun Id carry a full sized 1911, that way if I had to throw it at somebody it would weigh enough to hurt when it him them. Width: 1.18. More bad advice, did the author not learn from his first mistake? They make it look soooo easy in the movies! For those of you that don't know, "Israeli Carry" is the practice carrying a pistol without a round in the chamber. oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. @ mark s: +1 here. If the trigger safety is not . My wife carries her Beretta 92 loaded with the hammer down and the safety off so all she has to do is draw and fire; first shot DA and the rest SA. I carry with one in the chamber but you choose not to. Do not ever suggest they change a true classic. . Actually, I only did that for about ten minutes before retreating to a men's room, unchambering the round, and putting the gun back in its holster with a full mag but empty chamber. I would hope that all semi-auto handguns have some sort of striker/firing-pin block that absolutely prevents detonation from dropping the pistol. True dat. israeli carry is stupid. In my 3-screw, yes. When she holstered her Glock .40 it went off and the bullet went down her leg utterly destroying it. Why You Should Keep One Bullet in the Chamber. Capacity: 15 rounds. NO - any responsible gun owner should have some reservation until enough information has been provided. This would require the grip safety to be disabled (a somewhat common modification) or to malfunction. In the case of a fast draw in a conflict, you dont have time to check, but you still have time to keep your finger out of the trigger guard. Not a hard and fast rule. But in any case, the inertia must lie directly in line with the round, and then the round must stop suddenly, like when the muzzle hits the ground. Yeah, me too. You've only seen one page. Carrying with an empty chamber was John Waynes great advice, applicable to old, single action revolvers. Well your odds of dying of heart disease is about a thousand times more likely than dying from a criminal attack, so, maybe something to think about. Dani: Especially in a stressful situation. I dont condemn those who carry a striker with one in the chamber. Yes, you're being silly. They DID make a variant with one (the Colt Cowboy) but they dont offer it anymore and the SAA is sold sans transfer bar. Well you can either use it as a gun or as a brickI like mine to be carried like a gun. Never mind the others. Absolutely. Do it right; prepare the firearm for immediate use and take the neccessary precautions given that state of readiness. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six?? It has been many years since I saw that movie. Ugggghhhhhh why are we still talking about this? Probably applies to a few other westerns as well though. like i said Which raises the question: How tough can it possibly be to fix? Thank you very much. No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. And I do not carry them ever. Have you ever negligently failed to check your blind spot and cut someone off on the freeway? Nor with his next, more significant error, suggesting that floating or inertial firing pin guns (like a 1911) ARE drop safe with a round in the chamber, even though all such firearms with a round in the chamber WILL fire if dropped on their muzzle? For gun owners looking to maximize the life of their firearms, it's important to understand what type of ammunition is acceptable and safe to use in their guns. For me I often carry without one in the chamber, like when I am in the woods doing stuff. Maybe. Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) Dingus said: To gain confidence, do this: Take your G19 and holster to the range. Normally, empty chamber carry adds an average of maybe 2/10ths of a second. Lets talk about the internal safety features and the facts of why Glocks are great handguns.Jordy Bucks well worn Glock 20 is carried daily. I hope r.i.p is on your tombstone if you fail in a confrontation. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. There are 5 in the house right now; computer room (where I am) living room, bathroom floor (beside the throne) and both sides of the bed. Many people have said, "A Glock doesn't have a safety." In this video, Dustin Winegar demonstrates that the Glock pistol design is actually one of the safest. I know, its a big word, all scary long and has lots of syllables, but try it out. And unlike Mad, I DO make mistakes. I have pocket carried for years, mostly using a clip such as a clip draw on my SIG 938, hammer down, safety on, round chambered. But its hard to imagine a situation where a dropped gun firing into the ground could be a danger. Sacrilegious. A S&W Model 329. Bet you still get stabbed. always, just got the g23 and after the range it'll be in the rotation with the sigs. Again, though, training is the answer. When something becomes familiar, inattention and negligence become more likely. Only, dumb guys wouldnt understand that. Learn what it means to have muscle memory. You would probably be more likely to survive in a Banzai charge. , I never said I dont make mistakes I just never have with a gun hurt your feelings knute man up and get over it, Look what I found: PS: There was a 12 yo kid recently that subdued an attacker with a common socket wrench after Dad missed 39 times with a pistol. As for the replicas, these are hit-and-miss when it comes to carrying on an empty chamber. Its common for someone to quickly raise a gun and try to shoot, just to realize the safety was in the on position keeping it from working. The stone cold killer blows a hole in the braggarts forehead and his buddies stand there with their jaws agape while he starts shooting them. Of course all of those Glock NDs were due to human error. The good folks at Iver Johnson (related in name only to the company that exists today) developed a lifting bar that sat between the hammer and the primer of the cartridge. I have these 2 hidden and had mounted in my house. Glock dominates the handgun market in both the United States and around the globe. So anybody can mess with anybody here at any time, by pretending to be somebody else. Because if youre smart enough to be worried about a Glock short trigger and trigger safety, youre probably smart enough to know you need to train so that your trigger finger is never in the trigger until the sights are on target, and you take the time to inspect your holster for obstructions before holstering or unholstering. In a SA revolver, the next round is instantly available anyway, whether fully loaded or one short, quicker out of the leather for the first, second, and third shot than any other existing action type. Thought about getting the Sig with the external safety, but decided not too. Perfect analogy. whenever anyone posts on this page: All except for that one guy above who thinks muscle memory means hell never make a mistake, ever. Or a DA/SA auto. Ive said it once, Ill say it again. It degrades my ability to respond and limits my choices, but is still far better than some choice words. Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. The Glock handgun is the favored handgun of police worldwide. It seems that as long as the trigger is not manipulated the pistol will not fire. Let's talk about wh. In the absence of further information, which is never forthcoming, the logical conclusion is: They dont want to fix it. And so easy to correct. One other one was very tragic. But my Glock has an empty chamber. Any striker fired pistol that doesnt incorporate some type of manual safety has the same chance of a ND as a Glock. And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. I can see no valid reason to carry a modern weapon in condition 3 as long as youre observant and safety conscious when holstering/re-holstering your weapon. As for kids, had 3 daughters, all knew all weapons were loaded, all were shooting bb guns by 5, learned safety and marksmanship, and by ten, the oldest could out shoot me with the Smith 9mm semi, steel. Two motions will always be quicker than four, unless one can somehow arrange to do all four simultaneously. Congratulations. I dont understand why anyone who carries a modern firearm is afraid to carry a round in the chamber??? Guns in my bigger safe are in condition 3 (AR rifles and defensive shotguns), except for my SAA revolvers are empty as I dont consider them as a defensive weapon (my hunting rifles and shotguns are empty too), mainly because both have 8 1/2 barrels and were used for silhouette shooting when I was younger. That is a good point that I have never heard before. If you have your Glock properly holstered it cant go off, Those are what ifs what if you slip in the shower get hit in the crosswalk get rundown by a terrorist in a f150 train be vigilant and stay away from the end that has 6 letters. Introducing an unchambered firearm means you only have one hand, at best, firmly gripping the pistol. I would consider the weapon fully loaded at this point. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-2','ezslot_6',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-2-0');All this comes from an old incident within the New York City Police Department. The name's Jordan, but friends call me Jordy. Often, its holstering the gun into a holster that compromised by clothing. To each their own, and god speed, The first gunm I packed was a SA .22 with a half cock safety and I loaded all the holes, then I went DA but cocked it most of the time.so I got in a habit of cocking the hammers Then I went to auto pistols and just never did trust that hammer sticking up so I carry them with one in the chamber on half cock. Holstered the Glock like that into kydex holster. Theres a problem with absolutism: youre proven wrong too easily. One was carrying a single action revolver without a transfer bar safety in a holster, and one under the hammer. Excuse me, but the inventor of the Linebaugh cartridges and custom gunsmith in Powell Wyoming is JOHN Linebaugh. However, there still isnt a compelling reason to carry a gun or keeping one for home defense that isnt loaded which cant be gotten around with a bit of training, a bit of brains, or a bit of extra gear. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. So yes, its completely safe. Note, the sentry safe does have a security vulerablity that can be mitigated by covering a hole with stainless steel tape. I have no issue using any of my Glocks as a SD gun, nor do I have any issue using any of my 1911s, any of my revolvers, or any of my other guns. I have been a revolver guy my whole life, and just switched to a Glock 19 after getting two days of excellent training and realizing I could shoot the Glock better (to say nothing of more copiously) than my old Detective Special. There are more and complicated details about the Israeli attitude (prohibition) of self-defense, but the point is that the Israeli system may work for the IDF, but not for you. (I don't think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.) How often do you train your driving abilities?. But that would be true for almost ANY gun that didnt have a manual safety engaged. On Amazon, they run about $35 just sans the NRA stamped door. A 1911 or single-action pistol in Condition 1 is comparable to a striker-fired, safe-action pistol, like a Glock, which is always in a semi-cocked condition when a round is in the chamber anyway. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? In addition to this, some manufacturers have added manual lever safeties to their firearms and XDS has the grip safety as well. Another difference is that the Equalizer is only available chambered for the 9mm Luger, where the Shield EZ can be had in .380 Auto, 9mm Luger and .30 Super Carry. I find the whole thing absurd and literally every firearm expert agrees with me. I still get the occasional email notification. If you did not realize the design is dangerous, you would not have spent so much time belaboring the obvious. Kids are grown, hoping dad doesnt ever need to move in, not the reverse lol, and I have em where I need em to be and they are ready when I am. Keep your chin up, youll get it eventually.
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